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		<title>By: Mrs. T</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-3009</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to shout a huge &quot;AMEN!&quot; to the assertion sports nutrition is marketed as a &quot;safety food&quot; because it&#039;s nasty medicine, and enjoying foods is for &quot;the fatties.&quot; In fact, I&#039;ve seen a lot of heavier, but well-meaning, people chowing down on high-calorie sports bars after a workout, attempting to &quot;eat healthier,&quot; bless their hearts. I also think Alan&#039;s comments, although smart, are derailing the point of the article. Krista did say &quot;food,&quot; but I believe she means prepared food, as the context of the essay implies. We&#039;re not talking about food springing from the ground versus food in the pan. We&#039;re talking about food in the pan versus food in the shiny, plastic package. At least, I thought that was the argument being made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to shout a huge &#8220;AMEN!&#8221; to the assertion sports nutrition is marketed as a &#8220;safety food&#8221; because it&#8217;s nasty medicine, and enjoying foods is for &#8220;the fatties.&#8221; In fact, I&#8217;ve seen a lot of heavier, but well-meaning, people chowing down on high-calorie sports bars after a workout, attempting to &#8220;eat healthier,&#8221; bless their hearts. I also think Alan&#8217;s comments, although smart, are derailing the point of the article. Krista did say &#8220;food,&#8221; but I believe she means prepared food, as the context of the essay implies. We&#8217;re not talking about food springing from the ground versus food in the pan. We&#8217;re talking about food in the pan versus food in the shiny, plastic package. At least, I thought that was the argument being made.</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress Krista</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-1803</link>
		<dc:creator>Mistress Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...get the whole raw cocao beans, and eat ‘em. Plain.&quot; 

I do. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;get the whole raw cocao beans, and eat ‘em. Plain.&#8221; </p>
<p>I do. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-1802</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PSSS: Just ONE more thing: you quote Ezekiel 4:9 on your
&quot;Grains GRAAAAINS&quot; page: &quot;Take thou also unto thee wheat, 
and barley, and beans, and lentils, and millet, and fitches, 
and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof&quot;

Good idea! Mix the grains with super-low-glycemic,
more-soluble-fiber-rich, and higher-protein lentils and 
beans. Quite in tune with modern conceptions and knowledge 
of meal composition and metabolic responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PSSS: Just ONE more thing: you quote Ezekiel 4:9 on your<br />
&#8220;Grains GRAAAAINS&#8221; page: &#8220;Take thou also unto thee wheat,<br />
and barley, and beans, and lentils, and millet, and fitches,<br />
and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof&#8221;</p>
<p>Good idea! Mix the grains with super-low-glycemic,<br />
more-soluble-fiber-rich, and higher-protein lentils and<br />
beans. Quite in tune with modern conceptions and knowledge<br />
of meal composition and metabolic responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-1801</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PSS: THANKS for a great website!  I&#039;m a new convert
to the Mistress Krista Church of Health &amp; Fitness.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PSS: THANKS for a great website!  I&#8217;m a new convert<br />
to the Mistress Krista Church of Health &amp; Fitness.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: I wrote: 
&quot;there’s nothing wrong with taking advantage of
some of these processed products for dietary variety
without the metabolic fallout of the original stuff that
they imitate.&quot;

With respect to pasta: is there anything holy about
the original stuff? It is a highly-processed food, made
with high-tech equipment (namely, a big machine called
an &quot;extruder&quot;, with which a hot starch mash is
squeezed through little holes to make long strings --
pasta). Why would the addition of some oat fiber, or
soy protein, or what have you, to improve the
macronutrient and metabolic profile, make for a
product that is any worse (any less &quot;real&quot;) than 
the original?  Do we have to apologize for knowing
about macronutrients and metabolic profiles, and
wanting to act on that knowledge?

I guess this goes to the whole question of what is and
is not &quot;real&quot; and &quot;natural&quot; -- what those things mean,
and what values we place on them.

I am amused sometimes by people who insist on &quot;all-
natural&quot; this and that, in the diet department, while
EVERY ASPECT of their entire life is utterly dependent
on artificial and technological contrivances. A sub-
group of same is all the doctors and dietitians who
insist that you get your micronutrients from
conventional foods only, (&quot;all natural&quot;), NO 
SUPPLEMENTS, because those evil vitamin hucksters 
are only after your money, and the only thing those 
pills can do is make for expensive urine.  What an 
incredibly hypocritical crock of shit!

I could rant on, but I don&#039;t want to take advantage
of your hospitality.  :-)

Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: I wrote:<br />
&#8220;there’s nothing wrong with taking advantage of<br />
some of these processed products for dietary variety<br />
without the metabolic fallout of the original stuff that<br />
they imitate.&#8221;</p>
<p>With respect to pasta: is there anything holy about<br />
the original stuff? It is a highly-processed food, made<br />
with high-tech equipment (namely, a big machine called<br />
an &#8220;extruder&#8221;, with which a hot starch mash is<br />
squeezed through little holes to make long strings &#8211;<br />
pasta). Why would the addition of some oat fiber, or<br />
soy protein, or what have you, to improve the<br />
macronutrient and metabolic profile, make for a<br />
product that is any worse (any less &#8220;real&#8221;) than<br />
the original?  Do we have to apologize for knowing<br />
about macronutrients and metabolic profiles, and<br />
wanting to act on that knowledge?</p>
<p>I guess this goes to the whole question of what is and<br />
is not &#8220;real&#8221; and &#8220;natural&#8221; &#8212; what those things mean,<br />
and what values we place on them.</p>
<p>I am amused sometimes by people who insist on &#8220;all-<br />
natural&#8221; this and that, in the diet department, while<br />
EVERY ASPECT of their entire life is utterly dependent<br />
on artificial and technological contrivances. A sub-<br />
group of same is all the doctors and dietitians who<br />
insist that you get your micronutrients from<br />
conventional foods only, (&#8220;all natural&#8221;), NO<br />
SUPPLEMENTS, because those evil vitamin hucksters<br />
are only after your money, and the only thing those<br />
pills can do is make for expensive urine.  What an<br />
incredibly hypocritical crock of shit!</p>
<p>I could rant on, but I don&#8217;t want to take advantage<br />
of your hospitality.  :-)</p>
<p>Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krista:
&quot;I feel that we cannot improve on real food. One square 
of real dark chocolate beats the snot out of a whole 
fake flavoured “chocolate brownie” protein bar any day.&quot;

I&#039;ll have to disagree with you here, slightly. 

I&#039;m as enthusiastic about healthy whole foods as anyone. But
the truth, IMO, is that we CAN often improve on them. &quot;Improve&quot;
relative to various values and objectives: culinary/gustatory,
nutritional, metabolic, and so forth.

You yourself just confessed (unconsciously) to a preference
for an improvement over real food: that square of &quot;real&quot;
dark chocolate -- a highly-processed, fractionated product,
blended with other refined ingredients (sugar, fat,
lecithin, etc.).  If you really want to go entirely with
&quot;real&quot; food, in the chocolate department, then get the 
whole raw cocao beans, and eat &#039;em. Plain. 

In truth, the dark chocolate square is no less contrived
and &quot;unreal&quot; than the &quot;fake flavoured &#039;chocolate brownie&#039;
protein bar&quot;. It just happens that you prefer the former;
that, in your tastebud-informed view, the developer of
the contrived/unreal chocolate square did a better job
than the developer of the contrived/unreal protein bar.
Fair enough. You know what you like. Go for it.

Dark chocolate is a big (gustatory/hedonic) improvement 
over whole raw cocoa beans. It might also represent a
health improvement if one would neglect to eat the whole
cocao beans (with all their beneficial polyphenols and
such) in the absence of the refined dark chocolate
squares. 

Another example is the wave of reduced-fat and reduced-
glycemic-carb products that have hit the stores over the
last couple decades. Now, you don&#039;t have to tell me that
some of these products are awful; I know that. But many
of them are quite good; a few, even excellent. It is nice
to have access, for example, to a variety of improved
pastas, with higher protein and fiber, and reduced
glycemic/insulinemic profile. Yes, one can get too anal
about all this. Everything must be kept in balance. But,
that said, there&#039;s nothing wrong with taking advantage of
some of these processed products for dietary variety 
without the metabolic fallout of the original stuff that
they imitate.

I just came from your (excellent) cottage cheese page,
and it is germane to note that cottage cheese is itself
not a &quot;real&quot; whole food; it is a fraction of a whole
food, namely milk. And low-fat cottage cheese is one
further step removed from the whole food. And I, for one,
call it an improvement! Low-fat cottage cheese --
processed, fractionated and non-whole though it may 
be -- is an excellent food, rich in protein, low in
total and glycemic carb, low in sat fat. Cheap.
Versatile (see recipes on your page). Tastes OK, 
or better than OK in some mixes. Great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista:<br />
&#8220;I feel that we cannot improve on real food. One square<br />
of real dark chocolate beats the snot out of a whole<br />
fake flavoured “chocolate brownie” protein bar any day.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to disagree with you here, slightly. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m as enthusiastic about healthy whole foods as anyone. But<br />
the truth, IMO, is that we CAN often improve on them. &#8220;Improve&#8221;<br />
relative to various values and objectives: culinary/gustatory,<br />
nutritional, metabolic, and so forth.</p>
<p>You yourself just confessed (unconsciously) to a preference<br />
for an improvement over real food: that square of &#8220;real&#8221;<br />
dark chocolate &#8212; a highly-processed, fractionated product,<br />
blended with other refined ingredients (sugar, fat,<br />
lecithin, etc.).  If you really want to go entirely with<br />
&#8220;real&#8221; food, in the chocolate department, then get the<br />
whole raw cocao beans, and eat &#8216;em. Plain. </p>
<p>In truth, the dark chocolate square is no less contrived<br />
and &#8220;unreal&#8221; than the &#8220;fake flavoured &#8216;chocolate brownie&#8217;<br />
protein bar&#8221;. It just happens that you prefer the former;<br />
that, in your tastebud-informed view, the developer of<br />
the contrived/unreal chocolate square did a better job<br />
than the developer of the contrived/unreal protein bar.<br />
Fair enough. You know what you like. Go for it.</p>
<p>Dark chocolate is a big (gustatory/hedonic) improvement<br />
over whole raw cocoa beans. It might also represent a<br />
health improvement if one would neglect to eat the whole<br />
cocao beans (with all their beneficial polyphenols and<br />
such) in the absence of the refined dark chocolate<br />
squares. </p>
<p>Another example is the wave of reduced-fat and reduced-<br />
glycemic-carb products that have hit the stores over the<br />
last couple decades. Now, you don&#8217;t have to tell me that<br />
some of these products are awful; I know that. But many<br />
of them are quite good; a few, even excellent. It is nice<br />
to have access, for example, to a variety of improved<br />
pastas, with higher protein and fiber, and reduced<br />
glycemic/insulinemic profile. Yes, one can get too anal<br />
about all this. Everything must be kept in balance. But,<br />
that said, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with taking advantage of<br />
some of these processed products for dietary variety<br />
without the metabolic fallout of the original stuff that<br />
they imitate.</p>
<p>I just came from your (excellent) cottage cheese page,<br />
and it is germane to note that cottage cheese is itself<br />
not a &#8220;real&#8221; whole food; it is a fraction of a whole<br />
food, namely milk. And low-fat cottage cheese is one<br />
further step removed from the whole food. And I, for one,<br />
call it an improvement! Low-fat cottage cheese &#8211;<br />
processed, fractionated and non-whole though it may<br />
be &#8212; is an excellent food, rich in protein, low in<br />
total and glycemic carb, low in sat fat. Cheap.<br />
Versatile (see recipes on your page). Tastes OK,<br />
or better than OK in some mixes. Great stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress Krista</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Mistress Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Link fixed!
I wonder what people with babies did before weight gainers...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Link fixed!<br />
I wonder what people with babies did before weight gainers&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.stumptuous.com/some-comments-on-the-current-state-of-sports-nutrition-products/comment-page-1#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, the link to your own protein bar seems to be broken.  I think you&#039;re right about real food though.  I&#039;ve got a friend who is planning on buying weight gainers this summer... because his baby makes it impossible to have time to cook or eat enough actual food!  *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, the link to your own protein bar seems to be broken.  I think you&#8217;re right about real food though.  I&#8217;ve got a friend who is planning on buying weight gainers this summer&#8230; because his baby makes it impossible to have time to cook or eat enough actual food!  *sigh*</p>
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