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		<title>By: Ginger Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent of a 6 year old and a 4 year old, I have never had problems with cereal-whining. The kids do like the occasional cereal breakfast (and once in a blue moon have one - always a good muesli, never junk) but it&#039;s almost never kept in the house so they wouldn&#039;t bother going on about it. For that matter no pre-packaged foods are - the kids are used to eating what we cook, from scratch, and this is totally normal for them. However, thinking it over, I am quite certain that the fact that we don&#039;t watch TV makes a good deal of difference. While the kids sometimes watch a TV show with their grandmother (usually commercial-free) or a DVD here at home (definitely commercial-free), this is definitely not a commercial-barraged household, a decision that I made long ago for my own good and realize now how very beneficial it has been indeed.

My kids at the supermarket shriek in excitement at kale :-) and beets! (Seriously, it&#039;s a bit odd though I am careful never to tell them that!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent of a 6 year old and a 4 year old, I have never had problems with cereal-whining. The kids do like the occasional cereal breakfast (and once in a blue moon have one &#8211; always a good muesli, never junk) but it&#8217;s almost never kept in the house so they wouldn&#8217;t bother going on about it. For that matter no pre-packaged foods are &#8211; the kids are used to eating what we cook, from scratch, and this is totally normal for them. However, thinking it over, I am quite certain that the fact that we don&#8217;t watch TV makes a good deal of difference. While the kids sometimes watch a TV show with their grandmother (usually commercial-free) or a DVD here at home (definitely commercial-free), this is definitely not a commercial-barraged household, a decision that I made long ago for my own good and realize now how very beneficial it has been indeed.</p>
<p>My kids at the supermarket shriek in excitement at kale :-) and beets! (Seriously, it&#8217;s a bit odd though I am careful never to tell them that!)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was young, my parents wouldn&#039;t let me have any of the child unfriendly cereals and for a long time I felt like I was being put upon given how fun and tasty the boxes and ads looked.  Looking back I now realize that I owe my parents thanks and I feel guilty for my former feelings of being hard done by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was young, my parents wouldn&#8217;t let me have any of the child unfriendly cereals and for a long time I felt like I was being put upon given how fun and tasty the boxes and ads looked.  Looking back I now realize that I owe my parents thanks and I feel guilty for my former feelings of being hard done by.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Lynne Figart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Lynne Figart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m all for truth in advertising (no, Froot Loops are NOT a healthy choice, for God&#039;s sake!), I think the problem is bigger than that.  Parents don&#039;t have any self-discipline, so they&#039;re hopeless in teaching any to their kids. (I say this as a parent of a teenager).

Parents need to learn that they&#039;re not being emotionally abusive just because their kids are sad at being told no.  No, you can&#039;t have sugar-loaded cereal for breakfast, no you can&#039;t go out to play before your homework is done, I don&#039;t care if the rest of your friends are $100 t-shirts that they&#039;ll grow out of in six months, you&#039;re only doing that if you figure out a way to earn the money yourself.

We act like we&#039;re somehow helpless in the face of a five year old.  How absurd! I&#039;m fast approaching the day when my son is bigger than I am, and I freely admit I&#039;m biting my nails about that one.  But a toddler?  PLEASE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m all for truth in advertising (no, Froot Loops are NOT a healthy choice, for God&#8217;s sake!), I think the problem is bigger than that.  Parents don&#8217;t have any self-discipline, so they&#8217;re hopeless in teaching any to their kids. (I say this as a parent of a teenager).</p>
<p>Parents need to learn that they&#8217;re not being emotionally abusive just because their kids are sad at being told no.  No, you can&#8217;t have sugar-loaded cereal for breakfast, no you can&#8217;t go out to play before your homework is done, I don&#8217;t care if the rest of your friends are $100 t-shirts that they&#8217;ll grow out of in six months, you&#8217;re only doing that if you figure out a way to earn the money yourself.</p>
<p>We act like we&#8217;re somehow helpless in the face of a five year old.  How absurd! I&#8217;m fast approaching the day when my son is bigger than I am, and I freely admit I&#8217;m biting my nails about that one.  But a toddler?  PLEASE!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Haines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Haines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krista, you said that as sensible adults we recognize some things are inappropriate for children, and I agree wholeheartedly. It is the duty of parents to be the arbiters of what junk TV, junk food, and junk information comes into the household to be consumed by their progeny. However, peer pressure amongst preschoolers (and every age thereafter, apparently) is difficult to overcome.

Advertisers capitalize on 1)consumer desire to have it all, and 2) consumer ignorance in the face of wanting it all. I don&#039;t begrudge advertisers their place in the food web; after all, there are plenty of people out there willing to buy into the story psycho-social well-being they promise with every image and slogan that appears in print and televised media. 

It is the duty of the consumer to be informed as to what is healthy and what is not, and to make the choices with their dollars as to what type of advertising is done. Government fiat or corporate self-policing does little to fight the tidal wave of misinformation; marketers will always find a way. Until their profit margins on unhealthy foods begin to shrink, little will change, I fear, despite how much government regulation is forced upon the industry.

It seems that the best way to become ethical actors, and to advocate for good ethics in our choices, is education. It always seems to come back to that for me; but then, I am a teacher by choice and by trade, and showing young people that they have the ability to take information and make choices based on their critical judgement of that information is my life&#039;s ambition. It is hard to teach very young children to do this, especially when fun cartoon animals advocate consumption of sugar-laden foods in order to be &quot;healthy.&quot; 

Perhaps parents need to become better educated; I think most already are, but take the easy way out and give in rather than put their parental feet down firmly and say &quot;NO, you may not have that crap!&quot; I am facing this dilemma right now with my little one, and I can tell you the resulting temper tantrum fades quickly and she will come to the table to eat her homemade applesauce atop plain oatmeal, mashed  chicken and carrots, and broccoli and lentils. Hunger is her prime motivation at that point, and while I do not starve her into submission, I make it clear that the food I am giving her is the only food she is getting. Ice cream is no substitute for dinner, no matter that her cousins get to eat it in lieu of vegetables.

Food is one area where I will not allow my daughter to lose to peer pressure. Less aggressive marketing to children is a start, but the road from grocery store to a child&#039;s stomach ought to be shepherded carefully by a parental figure, temper tantrums be damned. An hour of crying over the loss of a dish of Lucky Charms (which would never be in my home anyway) is far better than dealing with a lifetime of poor health and even worse eating habits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista, you said that as sensible adults we recognize some things are inappropriate for children, and I agree wholeheartedly. It is the duty of parents to be the arbiters of what junk TV, junk food, and junk information comes into the household to be consumed by their progeny. However, peer pressure amongst preschoolers (and every age thereafter, apparently) is difficult to overcome.</p>
<p>Advertisers capitalize on 1)consumer desire to have it all, and 2) consumer ignorance in the face of wanting it all. I don&#8217;t begrudge advertisers their place in the food web; after all, there are plenty of people out there willing to buy into the story psycho-social well-being they promise with every image and slogan that appears in print and televised media. </p>
<p>It is the duty of the consumer to be informed as to what is healthy and what is not, and to make the choices with their dollars as to what type of advertising is done. Government fiat or corporate self-policing does little to fight the tidal wave of misinformation; marketers will always find a way. Until their profit margins on unhealthy foods begin to shrink, little will change, I fear, despite how much government regulation is forced upon the industry.</p>
<p>It seems that the best way to become ethical actors, and to advocate for good ethics in our choices, is education. It always seems to come back to that for me; but then, I am a teacher by choice and by trade, and showing young people that they have the ability to take information and make choices based on their critical judgement of that information is my life&#8217;s ambition. It is hard to teach very young children to do this, especially when fun cartoon animals advocate consumption of sugar-laden foods in order to be &#8220;healthy.&#8221; </p>
<p>Perhaps parents need to become better educated; I think most already are, but take the easy way out and give in rather than put their parental feet down firmly and say &#8220;NO, you may not have that crap!&#8221; I am facing this dilemma right now with my little one, and I can tell you the resulting temper tantrum fades quickly and she will come to the table to eat her homemade applesauce atop plain oatmeal, mashed  chicken and carrots, and broccoli and lentils. Hunger is her prime motivation at that point, and while I do not starve her into submission, I make it clear that the food I am giving her is the only food she is getting. Ice cream is no substitute for dinner, no matter that her cousins get to eat it in lieu of vegetables.</p>
<p>Food is one area where I will not allow my daughter to lose to peer pressure. Less aggressive marketing to children is a start, but the road from grocery store to a child&#8217;s stomach ought to be shepherded carefully by a parental figure, temper tantrums be damned. An hour of crying over the loss of a dish of Lucky Charms (which would never be in my home anyway) is far better than dealing with a lifetime of poor health and even worse eating habits.</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mistress Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night was Halloween. My husband dressed up in a quasi-psychotic costume that would probably give an adult nightmares. When really little kids came to the door, he removed the scary parts of it so as not to traumatize them. He could have argued that good parents would keep their kids away from the house with the scary man, or simply not allow them out. He could have claimed his right to free speech, and indeed he would have been well within his legal rights and privileges to do so. 

Yet as sensible adults we recognize that some things are inappropriate and damaging for children. 

We restrict their access to observing and experiencing violence (well, we used to) and sexuality (which seems to me less traumatic than violence). We would generally not tolerate marketers that encouraged children to smoke, consume toxic chemicals, shoot guns, or engage in kinky threesomes, all of which are presently more or less legal activities. We assume, in short, that &quot;free speech&quot; has boundaries within particular contexts, and begin with the understanding that some audiences have vulnerabilities that should determine our choices as ethical actors. We also, as ethical actors, do not encourage them to do things that cause harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night was Halloween. My husband dressed up in a quasi-psychotic costume that would probably give an adult nightmares. When really little kids came to the door, he removed the scary parts of it so as not to traumatize them. He could have argued that good parents would keep their kids away from the house with the scary man, or simply not allow them out. He could have claimed his right to free speech, and indeed he would have been well within his legal rights and privileges to do so. </p>
<p>Yet as sensible adults we recognize that some things are inappropriate and damaging for children. </p>
<p>We restrict their access to observing and experiencing violence (well, we used to) and sexuality (which seems to me less traumatic than violence). We would generally not tolerate marketers that encouraged children to smoke, consume toxic chemicals, shoot guns, or engage in kinky threesomes, all of which are presently more or less legal activities. We assume, in short, that &#8220;free speech&#8221; has boundaries within particular contexts, and begin with the understanding that some audiences have vulnerabilities that should determine our choices as ethical actors. We also, as ethical actors, do not encourage them to do things that cause harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Irina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aggressive advertising to two-year-olds is not speech, it is sociopathic behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aggressive advertising to two-year-olds is not speech, it is sociopathic behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cereal and grain industry finances the election of the US Congress, thus getting preferential treatment in the food &#039;pyramid&#039;.

Ultimately, though, the solution is in personal responsibility, not limiting the speech of cereal companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cereal and grain industry finances the election of the US Congress, thus getting preferential treatment in the food &#8216;pyramid&#8217;.</p>
<p>Ultimately, though, the solution is in personal responsibility, not limiting the speech of cereal companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It only takes a cursory look at the ingredients to see that most cereals are laden with sugar and HFCS and are terribly unhealthy.

But the problem is these cereals exist because people buy them--in massive quantities, nationwide.  They are exhaustively test-marketed to kids and it&#039;s clear that kids like them and want them.  The TV advertising simply cements the kids&#039; demand.  

I think the missing piece of the puzzle is on the demand side.  In our home, we&#039;ve permanently banned all branded, hyper-sweetened boxed cereals from our pantry.  Parents need to do what&#039;s right and buy cereal brands and other breakfast foods that ARE healthy.  If there were strong demand for healthier cereals, you could bet cereal makers would put them on the stores shelves for us to buy. 

Daniel
&lt;a href=&quot;http://casualkitchen.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Casual Kitchen&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It only takes a cursory look at the ingredients to see that most cereals are laden with sugar and HFCS and are terribly unhealthy.</p>
<p>But the problem is these cereals exist because people buy them&#8211;in massive quantities, nationwide.  They are exhaustively test-marketed to kids and it&#8217;s clear that kids like them and want them.  The TV advertising simply cements the kids&#8217; demand.  </p>
<p>I think the missing piece of the puzzle is on the demand side.  In our home, we&#8217;ve permanently banned all branded, hyper-sweetened boxed cereals from our pantry.  Parents need to do what&#8217;s right and buy cereal brands and other breakfast foods that ARE healthy.  If there were strong demand for healthier cereals, you could bet cereal makers would put them on the stores shelves for us to buy. </p>
<p>Daniel<br />
<a href="http://casualkitchen.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Casual Kitchen</a></p>
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