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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krista and Simma, 

Thanks!</description>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Simma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evelyn,

Ditto what Krista says.  Despite the dire warning of many underqualified gym trainers, forward lean in the back squat is NOT wrong and is, in fact, both natural and necessary.

Physics dictates that the barbell must remain above the center of the foot for an efficient and safe squat, particularly as the bar gets heavier.  If your hips are moving back as you descend (as they should), the upper body will lean forward at the hips to balance the bar properly.  The higher you hold the bar, the less you will lean forward, but this is not an argument for or against any particular bar position (bar placement in the back squat is a debate that will probably rage among ironheads forever).

If you are doing a back squat with no forward lean, you are either a freak of nature or you are forcing your body into a very unnatural position and placing dangerous stress on some other part of your body.  You&#039;re also probably lifting far less than you could be optimally.

If you make sure your back stays in good alignment throughout, and you don&#039;t let your ego get ahead of your capabilities, a certain degree of forward lean is good form.  Your sense of balance will tell you when the lean is too much or not enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evelyn,</p>
<p>Ditto what Krista says.  Despite the dire warning of many underqualified gym trainers, forward lean in the back squat is NOT wrong and is, in fact, both natural and necessary.</p>
<p>Physics dictates that the barbell must remain above the center of the foot for an efficient and safe squat, particularly as the bar gets heavier.  If your hips are moving back as you descend (as they should), the upper body will lean forward at the hips to balance the bar properly.  The higher you hold the bar, the less you will lean forward, but this is not an argument for or against any particular bar position (bar placement in the back squat is a debate that will probably rage among ironheads forever).</p>
<p>If you are doing a back squat with no forward lean, you are either a freak of nature or you are forcing your body into a very unnatural position and placing dangerous stress on some other part of your body.  You&#8217;re also probably lifting far less than you could be optimally.</p>
<p>If you make sure your back stays in good alignment throughout, and you don&#8217;t let your ego get ahead of your capabilities, a certain degree of forward lean is good form.  Your sense of balance will tell you when the lean is too much or not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mistress Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evelyn: Totally normal. You&#039;ll find when you actually get a weight on your back, you will lean your torso forward slightly to compensate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evelyn: Totally normal. You&#8217;ll find when you actually get a weight on your back, you will lean your torso forward slightly to compensate.</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krista, 

Thank you for this inspiring and informative site.  I really enjoy it.

I am able to do a full squat with no weight, but I have to have my arms out in front of me.  As soon as I try putting my arms up where they would be if I had a barbell on my back, I start to fall over backwards.   

Is this inability to balance common for beginners--especially beginners with very little strength and flexibility to start with?   Or is it a sign that I&#039;m using poor form?  

Thanks, 
Evelyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista, </p>
<p>Thank you for this inspiring and informative site.  I really enjoy it.</p>
<p>I am able to do a full squat with no weight, but I have to have my arms out in front of me.  As soon as I try putting my arms up where they would be if I had a barbell on my back, I start to fall over backwards.   </p>
<p>Is this inability to balance common for beginners&#8211;especially beginners with very little strength and flexibility to start with?   Or is it a sign that I&#8217;m using poor form?  </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Evelyn</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mistress Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 09:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raj: Don&#039;t use the Smith machine. Either do &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;single-legged squats&lt;/a&gt; (aka pistols) or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davedraper.com/blog/2006/11/04/what-are-goblet-squats-goblet-squat-instruction/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;goblet squats&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raj: Don&#8217;t use the Smith machine. Either do <a href="http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler2.htm" rel="nofollow">single-legged squats</a> (aka pistols) or <a href="http://www.davedraper.com/blog/2006/11/04/what-are-goblet-squats-goblet-squat-instruction/" rel="nofollow">goblet squats</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 19:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I&#039;ve been doing squat with free weight barbell, with perfect form and technique and was getting proper results in terms of muscle strengthening and weight lifting capabilities.
But recently I joined a new Gym where there is no Safety Squat cage as such, rather they have got smith machine for squat.
As there is no balancing issue with squat on Smith machine, I felt it easier than free weight barbell squat, but now when I do squat on Smith Machine, I feel pain in my left knees.
This probably is because of lack of proper form I guess. actually the line of motion for Smith Machine cant be drived by the person.
Could you please let me know the perfect way to do squat with Smith Machine?

Thanks,
Raj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing squat with free weight barbell, with perfect form and technique and was getting proper results in terms of muscle strengthening and weight lifting capabilities.<br />
But recently I joined a new Gym where there is no Safety Squat cage as such, rather they have got smith machine for squat.<br />
As there is no balancing issue with squat on Smith machine, I felt it easier than free weight barbell squat, but now when I do squat on Smith Machine, I feel pain in my left knees.<br />
This probably is because of lack of proper form I guess. actually the line of motion for Smith Machine cant be drived by the person.<br />
Could you please let me know the perfect way to do squat with Smith Machine?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Raj</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krista, 

That was a huge help. I&#039;ve used a roller for tight hams before but didn&#039;t even think of them for knees but what you said makes sense. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista, </p>
<p>That was a huge help. I&#8217;ve used a roller for tight hams before but didn&#8217;t even think of them for knees but what you said makes sense. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mistress Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maya, thanks for your kind comments. :)

Here&#039;s the deal with joints. Connective tissues -- ligaments, tendons, cartilaginous structures, etc. -- are what hold our joints together but not &lt;em&gt;too&lt;/em&gt; together: they also keep the bones from grinding against one another. These connective tissues, for the most part, have a poor blood supply. Our muscles are full of blood vessels. They&#039;re a blood vessel rainforest: constantly damp and moist with all the good stuff. The connective tissues are more like a blood vessel desert.

Also, connective tissues are made from structural proteins, which ain&#039;t cheap to manufacture. It takes time to lay down all the collagen etc.

Thus, due to both poor blood supply and the nature of connective tissues, they adapt much more slowly than muscles. This is one reason you can get stronger but then hurt yourself. Your muscles are temporarily too strong for your connective tissues (particularly a problem for folks on anabolic steroids). You can move X weight with your muscles but your connective tissues might only be able to comfortably manage X minus 10.

Anyway, the point is that with joint healing, you&#039;re probably looking at the scale of months rather than days or weeks. But don&#039;t be discouraged. Research shows that regular moderate loading stimulates the release and manufacture of proteins that help build up the tissues. The signals for &quot;build&quot; are getting through, it&#039;s just that connective tissues are late bloomers. :)

One thing that helps a lot is freeing the schmutz (scientific term) that accumulates at the musculotendinous junction. This is the place where muscle becomes connective tissue and attaches to the bone. It&#039;s not a clear demarcation. It&#039;s more like a continuum. Quite often the pain you feel is not actually from inflammation of the CTs (although it certainly can be) but rather from tight/spasming/restricted muscles yanking on the joint. If you free up the crap that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;around&lt;/em&gt; the joint in the soft tissues, that can make joint pain magickally go away.

A great way to do this is with a foam roller (basically a thicker, more solid pool noodle) or rolling pin (for the knees). Roll the rolling pin all over your quads, using strokes going upwards if possible. Also roll out the area where the shin muscles meet the knee, below the kneecap. You can also dig your thumbs in there for smaller areas, or even use a tennis ball. Kneel on the ball and grind it into the muscles, anywhere there&#039;s soft tissue. You&#039;ll very likely find some trigger points that you can release with repeated iterations of this.

Also stretch IT band, which is typically tight on most folks. I&#039;m told that the knee is the &quot;outlet pipe&quot; for hip tightness, so stretch front and back of hips well too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maya, thanks for your kind comments. :)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the deal with joints. Connective tissues &#8212; ligaments, tendons, cartilaginous structures, etc. &#8212; are what hold our joints together but not <em>too</em> together: they also keep the bones from grinding against one another. These connective tissues, for the most part, have a poor blood supply. Our muscles are full of blood vessels. They&#8217;re a blood vessel rainforest: constantly damp and moist with all the good stuff. The connective tissues are more like a blood vessel desert.</p>
<p>Also, connective tissues are made from structural proteins, which ain&#8217;t cheap to manufacture. It takes time to lay down all the collagen etc.</p>
<p>Thus, due to both poor blood supply and the nature of connective tissues, they adapt much more slowly than muscles. This is one reason you can get stronger but then hurt yourself. Your muscles are temporarily too strong for your connective tissues (particularly a problem for folks on anabolic steroids). You can move X weight with your muscles but your connective tissues might only be able to comfortably manage X minus 10.</p>
<p>Anyway, the point is that with joint healing, you&#8217;re probably looking at the scale of months rather than days or weeks. But don&#8217;t be discouraged. Research shows that regular moderate loading stimulates the release and manufacture of proteins that help build up the tissues. The signals for &#8220;build&#8221; are getting through, it&#8217;s just that connective tissues are late bloomers. :)</p>
<p>One thing that helps a lot is freeing the schmutz (scientific term) that accumulates at the musculotendinous junction. This is the place where muscle becomes connective tissue and attaches to the bone. It&#8217;s not a clear demarcation. It&#8217;s more like a continuum. Quite often the pain you feel is not actually from inflammation of the CTs (although it certainly can be) but rather from tight/spasming/restricted muscles yanking on the joint. If you free up the crap that&#8217;s <em>around</em> the joint in the soft tissues, that can make joint pain magickally go away.</p>
<p>A great way to do this is with a foam roller (basically a thicker, more solid pool noodle) or rolling pin (for the knees). Roll the rolling pin all over your quads, using strokes going upwards if possible. Also roll out the area where the shin muscles meet the knee, below the kneecap. You can also dig your thumbs in there for smaller areas, or even use a tennis ball. Kneel on the ball and grind it into the muscles, anywhere there&#8217;s soft tissue. You&#8217;ll very likely find some trigger points that you can release with repeated iterations of this.</p>
<p>Also stretch IT band, which is typically tight on most folks. I&#8217;m told that the knee is the &#8220;outlet pipe&#8221; for hip tightness, so stretch front and back of hips well too.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I want to thank you. I first read you site years ago when it still had the red front page;) I&#039;m glad I decided to peak back in. I just started doing Crossfit and squatting to depth for the first time. I&#039;ve been at it just under 2 months. I am getting much more range of motion and my running has really improved including an injury that was holding back my race training. I am also doing a lot of jumps which seem to be improving my downhill running especially and I&#039;ve fallen a couple times when running without twisting an ankle or getting seriously injured which is a huge deal for a pigeon toed runner with weak feet. A huge part of my success was actually because of you. If I hadn&#039;t read this website, I never would have given crossfit or any other type of heavy lifting a try. Whenever a woman asks about weight training I always point them to your site. 

I do have a quick question and would really appreciate your insite. My knees are not injured at all but after a really heavy workout they do hurt for a few days. I notice it is worse during my cycle but the week before they are strong as nails. I know it&#039;s my joints and ligaments adjusting and getting stronger but I wonder how long will it take for my knees to go from weaklings to oly knees;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I want to thank you. I first read you site years ago when it still had the red front page;) I&#8217;m glad I decided to peak back in. I just started doing Crossfit and squatting to depth for the first time. I&#8217;ve been at it just under 2 months. I am getting much more range of motion and my running has really improved including an injury that was holding back my race training. I am also doing a lot of jumps which seem to be improving my downhill running especially and I&#8217;ve fallen a couple times when running without twisting an ankle or getting seriously injured which is a huge deal for a pigeon toed runner with weak feet. A huge part of my success was actually because of you. If I hadn&#8217;t read this website, I never would have given crossfit or any other type of heavy lifting a try. Whenever a woman asks about weight training I always point them to your site. </p>
<p>I do have a quick question and would really appreciate your insite. My knees are not injured at all but after a really heavy workout they do hurt for a few days. I notice it is worse during my cycle but the week before they are strong as nails. I know it&#8217;s my joints and ligaments adjusting and getting stronger but I wonder how long will it take for my knees to go from weaklings to oly knees;)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krista, I love your website!
Anyway - I had been told by a learned and well meaning yoga instructor after  complaining of pain in one knee that I shouldn&#039;t bend my knees more than 90 degrees when weight bearing to avoid injury. I didn&#039;t, even though I have enough range of motion to easily get into the full squat position. Semi-squats hurt, so I just really didn&#039;t do much. I have always had strong legs and as I avoided these things I noticed more aches and pains starting up. After reading the squat EZ-Y page I decided to just try it out and see, and lo and behold a full squat hurts the ole knee not at all!(I wonder why that is? My husband and I theorized that it had to do with the force used to get back up, and that the way the muscles were used in the lower position was somehow  better than if I was trying to lift back up from halfway down. So I got back into working on my leg strength and now the pain is gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista, I love your website!<br />
Anyway &#8211; I had been told by a learned and well meaning yoga instructor after  complaining of pain in one knee that I shouldn&#8217;t bend my knees more than 90 degrees when weight bearing to avoid injury. I didn&#8217;t, even though I have enough range of motion to easily get into the full squat position. Semi-squats hurt, so I just really didn&#8217;t do much. I have always had strong legs and as I avoided these things I noticed more aches and pains starting up. After reading the squat EZ-Y page I decided to just try it out and see, and lo and behold a full squat hurts the ole knee not at all!(I wonder why that is? My husband and I theorized that it had to do with the force used to get back up, and that the way the muscles were used in the lower position was somehow  better than if I was trying to lift back up from halfway down. So I got back into working on my leg strength and now the pain is gone.</p>
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